What Happens If California Voters Ban Gay Marriage With Proposition 8?
Wednesday August 6, 2008
Pictured left: A gay couple kisses on the stairs after marrying inside San Francisco City Hall in San Francisco, California.Update: Proposition 8 passed on the November ballot by a vote of 52.5% approved and 47.5% opposed... read more
This November, California voters will decide on a measure ('Proposition 8') defining marriage as between one man and one woman. The proposition would effectively ban same-sex marriage. If the vote is successful, would the marriages that have already been granted remain valid? Attorney General Jerry Brown says that existing gay marriages would most likely remain legal.
"I believe that marriages that have been entered into subsequent to the [May 15] Supreme Court opinion will be recognized by the California Supreme Court," Brown told The Chronicle.
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Not gonna happen.
Prop 8 is going nowhere.
Googling Gay Marriage: Putting a Fork in Prop 8
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/15/10959/0231/324/551909
This Thursday, August 14th, from 5:30 p.m - 8:30 p.m. at 2020 Main Street, Irvine, California:
ACTION ALERT: Tell the Right-Wing Consultants NO to Prop 8!
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NO GAY marriages. Now they want the right to marry…soon they will want to change many social reforms to accomodate their wicked ideas. Our great sociaety will be DAMN and we will become the laughing stock of the whole world.
Is this discussion really about legal rights, or just about the endless cultural fight between liberals and conservatives trying to force their values down everyone’s else’s throats?
Even if same sex marriages were not allowed, nobody’s forcing gays to get rid of their partners. You could also still legally protect the rights of gay couples by giving them basically the same rights as the married men and women have. Maybe not the same cultural status as marriages have - but that would be difficult in our culture even if gays have a right to marry.
If there already are married gay couples in California, those unions couldn’t be made illegal just like that, because of this or that Proposition. Probably those unions would be changed to registered partnerships, and such unions could guarantee practically all the same rights as marriages have. It is about legal details of laws, not about a name that is used for a certain kind of union between same or opposite sex partners.
As to culture and values, and which ever way the Proposition 8 goes, you simply cannot change the values of other people.
You have to realize that a majority of people, throughout the whole world, still believe and will believe that a marriage is primarily an institute meant for heterosexual couples. It is also not discriminating to think so, and people have every right to such values as much as gays have rights to their values - as long as people respect others and give them their freedom to live their lives as they wish.
Children are also a rather natural part of marriages, even if some married couples may not have kids. You have to remember the rights of children too when discussing marriage and related laws. Would it be ok, if all gay couples were allowed to adopt children? Or would a family where there would be both a mother and a father still be considered better? Can gay marriages really be equal to heterosexual marriages in that respect? Many specialists see that ideally children should have both a mother and a father, a male and a female role model in the family. In a natural, biological family that is also always the case, but not in a homosexual family, how ever good those gays might be with children. A gay family that has children can never be considered a natural family.
Gay couples and families are and will be simply different from heterosexual couples and families. Why should they be considered just the same legally? Since when has sexual freedom become the ultimate human right in our society that goes before anything else in a society, including children’s rights to have both a mother and a father in their family?
Don’t we have enough crap in this world to worry about … OTHER than people being gay? Who really give a shit! We are all one person… and who we share our love with .. shouldn’t really matter! As long is there is LOVE! We now have a BLACK president! Why wouldn’t we have GAY MARRIAGES!!!!!! Gay people are no DIFFERENT then straight people! WE ALL PUT OUR PANTS ON THE SAME WAY!!!!! ONE LEG AT A TIME!!!!!!!!!! Get a clue people.. FIGHT for things that matter! Let people live their lives the way they want too!!!! And die happy!!!!
ALBERT- How could you be so shallow! Your last paragraph states that “since when has sexual freedom become the ultimate human right in our society” ISN”T that what the USA is … the “freedom of rights” reguardless of what that might be? The freedom of speech.. the RIGHT TO CHOOSE!!!! Give me break dude! Im not even gay,,, but your statement is so far gone!!!
Albert-This discussion is about legal rights and more importantly it is about HUMAN RIGHTS. As you state, “As to culture and values, and which ever way the Proposition 8 goes, you simply cannot change the values of other people.” I completely agree, so why are people trying to force their values on same-sex couples? Also you say, “people have every right to such values as much as gays have rights to their values - as long as people respect others and give them their freedom to live their lives as they wish.” which is hilarious to me because people are infringing on same-sex couples freedom to live their lives as they wish married. So we should not infringe on others values and just allow them to live as they wish, unless they’re gay? According to your statements a single parent is not considered to be a “natural” family. Your misconception of a natural family is only your perception, actually according to nature and many scientific studies a monogamous relationship between a man and woman is completely unnatural. We do many things as a society that are completely unnatural, but we’ve decided that’s what’s best for society. If your having trouble thinking of some examples here they are: vaccinations, heart transplants, medications, donating blood, monogamy, chemotherapy.